WiX Wrappers: For or against?

[Alec Taylor]

Good evening,

I've seen quite a few WiX Wrapper around, including a few Open-Source ones.

Examples:
• http://sourceforge.net/projects/wixedit/ (not 100% sure this is a wrapper)
• http://sourceforge.net/projects/keeyai-flame/

What are your thoughts on WiX Wrappers, would you recommend a certain
one (not necessarily from above), or would you recommend figuring it
out without wrappers?

(e.g. just use CLI compilers and Notepad2)

Thanks for all suggestions,

Alec Taylor

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[Peter Shirtcliffe]

I use WixEdit and like it. It's a GUI editor plus a simple wizard and a
couple of other features. You can switch into the .wxs file easily using one
of the menu items that runs a text editor of your choice and it will detect
and reload changes when you switch back. The files it generates can be easily
compiled with the command line tools. I find it best for small, quick
projects, such as test installers. It was also helpful when I was learning
Wix. Our main products' installers are large and complex and I use Wix Votive
solutions for those.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alec Taylor [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 20 August 2011 11:18
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?

Good evening,

I've seen quite a few WiX Wrapper around, including a few Open-Source ones.

Examples:
* http://sourceforge.net/projects/wixedit/ (not 100% sure this is a wrapper)
* http://sourceforge.net/projects/keeyai-flame/

What are your thoughts on WiX Wrappers, would you recommend a certain
one (not necessarily from above), or would you recommend figuring it
out without wrappers?

(e.g. just use CLI compilers and Notepad2)

Thanks for all suggestions,

Alec Taylor

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[Pally Sandher]

I'd echo Peter's sentiments of WiXEdit. I used it a lot when I was learning WiX & Windows Installer (back in the v2.0 days) & it was invaluable as a teaching aid alongside the WiX tutorial. However I find Votive (WiX native plug-in for Visual Studio 2005/2008/2010) a far better solution all round now that I'm well versed in the technologies.
The only things Votive doesn't do right now which would be nice are Patch project types (you will need to revert to the command line to build patches) & WYSIWYG UI editing. WiXEdit has functionality to preview UI dialogs directly from the XML so you don't need to compile the MSI to see how your layout will work so it's useful to keep around.
Even if you don't use Visual Studio yourself on a day to day basis you can download & install the IDE only version of 2008 (possibly 2010 too, haven't checked as yet) & use Votive in it. Votive is packaged as part of the WiX installer, run a modify/repair if you've already installed WiX 3.x & subsequently install Visual Studio to get Votive to install.
My view may be biased as I've been using Visual Studio to write C++ & other languages for the last 12 years or so, hence I'm very comfortable with it as an IDE.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Shirtcliffe [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 22 August 2011 09:42
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?

I use WixEdit and like it. It's a GUI editor plus a simple wizard and a
couple of other features. You can switch into the .wxs file easily using one
of the menu items that runs a text editor of your choice and it will detect
and reload changes when you switch back. The files it generates can be easily
compiled with the command line tools. I find it best for small, quick
projects, such as test installers. It was also helpful when I was learning
Wix. Our main products' installers are large and complex and I use Wix Votive
solutions for those.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alec Taylor [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 20 August 2011 11:18
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?

Good evening,

I've seen quite a few WiX Wrapper around, including a few Open-Source ones.

Examples:
* http://sourceforge.net/projects/wixedit/ (not 100% sure this is a wrapper)
* http://sourceforge.net/projects/keeyai-flame/

What are your thoughts on WiX Wrappers, would you recommend a certain
one (not necessarily from above), or would you recommend figuring it
out without wrappers?

(e.g. just use CLI compilers and Notepad2)

Thanks for all suggestions,

Alec Taylor

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[James Johnston]

I second the vote for WixEdit.  I used it when first setting up my
installer.  Helped me learn WiX to some extent.

Now that the files are littered with preprocessor commands and I only make
small, minor changes, I find it easier to edit the WXS files directly in a
text editor.

One thing I feel is important is commenting.  There are several places where
I do things and the reasons for it are not immediately clear.  Comments help
with that, but you can't edit comments in WixEdit.  If I do use WixEdit, I
generally go back and add comments to the file as needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Shirtcliffe [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 08:40
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?

I use WixEdit and like it. It's a GUI editor plus a simple wizard and a
couple of other features. You can switch into the .wxs file easily using one
of the menu items that runs a text editor of your choice and it will detect
and reload changes when you switch back. The files it generates can be
easily compiled with the command line tools. I find it best for small, quick
projects, such as test installers. It was also helpful when I was learning
Wix. Our main products' installers are large and complex and I use Wix
Votive solutions for those.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alec Taylor [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 20 August 2011 11:18
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?

Good evening,

I've seen quite a few WiX Wrapper around, including a few Open-Source ones.

Examples:
* http://sourceforge.net/projects/wixedit/ (not 100% sure this is a wrapper)
* http://sourceforge.net/projects/keeyai-flame/

What are your thoughts on WiX Wrappers, would you recommend a certain one
(not necessarily from above), or would you recommend figuring it out without
wrappers?

(e.g. just use CLI compilers and Notepad2)

Thanks for all suggestions,

Alec Taylor

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[Durwin Wright]

I also like using WixEdit for simple changes and prototyping.  It has a lot of very good feature and is easy to use.

It does re-format lines and makes it hard to preserve comments.  But once you are aware of these limitations it is still very useful.

I use WixEdit in conjunction with Notepad++ or UltraEdit for larger WiX projects.

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-----Original Message-----
From: James Johnston [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:28 AM
To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.'
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?

I second the vote for WixEdit.  I used it when first setting up my
installer.  Helped me learn WiX to some extent.

Now that the files are littered with preprocessor commands and I only make
small, minor changes, I find it easier to edit the WXS files directly in a
text editor.

One thing I feel is important is commenting.  There are several places where
I do things and the reasons for it are not immediately clear.  Comments help
with that, but you can't edit comments in WixEdit.  If I do use WixEdit, I
generally go back and add comments to the file as needed.

-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Shirtcliffe [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 08:40
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?

I use WixEdit and like it. It's a GUI editor plus a simple wizard and a
couple of other features. You can switch into the .wxs file easily using one
of the menu items that runs a text editor of your choice and it will detect
and reload changes when you switch back. The files it generates can be
easily compiled with the command line tools. I find it best for small, quick
projects, such as test installers. It was also helpful when I was learning
Wix. Our main products' installers are large and complex and I use Wix
Votive solutions for those.

-----Original Message-----
From: Alec Taylor [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: 20 August 2011 11:18
To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
Subject: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?

Good evening,

I've seen quite a few WiX Wrapper around, including a few Open-Source ones.

Examples:
* http://sourceforge.net/projects/wixedit/ (not 100% sure this is a wrapper)
* http://sourceforge.net/projects/keeyai-flame/

What are your thoughts on WiX Wrappers, would you recommend a certain one
(not necessarily from above), or would you recommend figuring it out without
wrappers?

(e.g. just use CLI compilers and Notepad2)

Thanks for all suggestions,

Alec Taylor

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[Tobias S]

Worth mentioning is IMHO SharpDevelop in a version 4.0.1.7090 (or
higher) for editing dialogs. With help of this tool a standalone
dialog (wxs files from WiX sources like e.g. InstallDirDlg.wxs) can be
opened, previewed and edited in Design view. Combined with Votive it
offers good abilities for editing WiX code.

Another editor which can create (but not edit) WiX code is MSI Factory
from IndigoRose.

+ For large projects consider componentization techniques like
fragmenting or wixlibs to break down complexity.


2011/8/22 Durwin Wright <[hidden email]>:

> I also like using WixEdit for simple changes and prototyping.  It has a lot of very good feature and is easy to use.
>
> It does re-format lines and makes it hard to preserve comments.  But once you are aware of these limitations it is still very useful.
>
> I use WixEdit in conjunction with Notepad++ or UltraEdit for larger WiX projects.
>
> Durwin Wright | Sr. Architect | [hidden email] | Ingres | 500 Arguello Street | Suite 200 | Redwood City | CA | 94063 | USA  [phone] | fax: [phone] | "Wag the Dog"
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Johnston [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:28 AM
> To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.'
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?
>
> I second the vote for WixEdit.  I used it when first setting up my
> installer.  Helped me learn WiX to some extent.
>
> Now that the files are littered with preprocessor commands and I only make
> small, minor changes, I find it easier to edit the WXS files directly in a
> text editor.
>
> One thing I feel is important is commenting.  There are several places where
> I do things and the reasons for it are not immediately clear.  Comments help
> with that, but you can't edit comments in WixEdit.  If I do use WixEdit, I
> generally go back and add comments to the file as needed.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Shirtcliffe [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 08:40
> To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?
>
> I use WixEdit and like it. It's a GUI editor plus a simple wizard and a
> couple of other features. You can switch into the .wxs file easily using one
> of the menu items that runs a text editor of your choice and it will detect
> and reload changes when you switch back. The files it generates can be
> easily compiled with the command line tools. I find it best for small, quick
> projects, such as test installers. It was also helpful when I was learning
> Wix. Our main products' installers are large and complex and I use Wix
> Votive solutions for those.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alec Taylor [mailto:[hidden email]]
> Sent: 20 August 2011 11:18
> To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
> Subject: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?
>
> Good evening,
>
> I've seen quite a few WiX Wrapper around, including a few Open-Source ones.
>
> Examples:
> * http://sourceforge.net/projects/wixedit/ (not 100% sure this is a wrapper)
> * http://sourceforge.net/projects/keeyai-flame/
>
> What are your thoughts on WiX Wrappers, would you recommend a certain one
> (not necessarily from above), or would you recommend figuring it out without
> wrappers?
>
> (e.g. just use CLI compilers and Notepad2)
>
> Thanks for all suggestions,
>
> Alec Taylor
>
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[Alec Taylor]

Okay, thanks everyone. I will use WiXedit to generate the initial MSI.

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On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:59 AM, Tobias S <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Worth mentioning is IMHO SharpDevelop in a version 4.0.1.7090 (or
> higher) for editing dialogs. With help of this tool a standalone
> dialog (wxs files from WiX sources like e.g. InstallDirDlg.wxs) can be
> opened, previewed and edited in Design view. Combined with Votive it
> offers good abilities for editing WiX code.
>
> Another editor which can create (but not edit) WiX code is MSI Factory
> from IndigoRose.
>
> + For large projects consider componentization techniques like
> fragmenting or wixlibs to break down complexity.
>
>
> 2011/8/22 Durwin Wright <[hidden email]>:
>> I also like using WixEdit for simple changes and prototyping.  It has a lot of very good feature and is easy to use.
>>
>> It does re-format lines and makes it hard to preserve comments.  But once you are aware of these limitations it is still very useful.
>>
>> I use WixEdit in conjunction with Notepad++ or UltraEdit for larger WiX projects.
>>
>> Durwin Wright | Sr. Architect | [hidden email] | Ingres | 500 Arguello Street | Suite 200 | Redwood City | CA | 94063 | USA  [phone] | fax: [phone] | "Wag the Dog"
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Johnston [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 6:28 AM
>> To: 'General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.'
>> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?
>>
>> I second the vote for WixEdit.  I used it when first setting up my
>> installer.  Helped me learn WiX to some extent.
>>
>> Now that the files are littered with preprocessor commands and I only make
>> small, minor changes, I find it easier to edit the WXS files directly in a
>> text editor.
>>
>> One thing I feel is important is commenting.  There are several places where
>> I do things and the reasons for it are not immediately clear.  Comments help
>> with that, but you can't edit comments in WixEdit.  If I do use WixEdit, I
>> generally go back and add comments to the file as needed.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Shirtcliffe [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 08:40
>> To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
>> Subject: Re: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?
>>
>> I use WixEdit and like it. It's a GUI editor plus a simple wizard and a
>> couple of other features. You can switch into the .wxs file easily using one
>> of the menu items that runs a text editor of your choice and it will detect
>> and reload changes when you switch back. The files it generates can be
>> easily compiled with the command line tools. I find it best for small, quick
>> projects, such as test installers. It was also helpful when I was learning
>> Wix. Our main products' installers are large and complex and I use Wix
>> Votive solutions for those.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alec Taylor [mailto:[hidden email]]
>> Sent: 20 August 2011 11:18
>> To: General discussion for Windows Installer XML toolset.
>> Subject: [WiX-users] WiX Wrappers: For or against?
>>
>> Good evening,
>>
>> I've seen quite a few WiX Wrapper around, including a few Open-Source ones.
>>
>> Examples:
>> * http://sourceforge.net/projects/wixedit/ (not 100% sure this is a wrapper)
>> * http://sourceforge.net/projects/keeyai-flame/
>>
>> What are your thoughts on WiX Wrappers, would you recommend a certain one
>> (not necessarily from above), or would you recommend figuring it out without
>> wrappers?
>>
>> (e.g. just use CLI compilers and Notepad2)
>>
>> Thanks for all suggestions,
>>
>> Alec Taylor
>>
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